Crawler Loader/Dozer Common Faults

Case 1450BTIP – Most Case crawlers have transmission pressure gauges – this is a valuable tool for diagnosing faults. If yours is broken, think about getting it replaced.

 

TRANSMISSION – POWERSHIFT MODELS

Q: When cold, why does my transmission not engage drive straight away?
A: Often this is due to a lack of pressure due to the transmission pump sucking air – cavitating.
Low oil level?
Check hose clamps on all suction lines
If any oil leaks are present, while machine is parked – these are usually leaks on the suction side of system & need repair.
If all clamps are tight & no leaks are present – the problem could be the charge pump itself.

Q: Why is my transmission overheating?
A: Caused by a number of reasons
1) Air flow through radiator / oil cooler restricted with dirt, grass etc.(usually effects engine temp as well)
2) Loss of oil flow due to bad pump or internal leakage at torque convertor or transmission clutch packs
3) Transmission oil being superheated by faulty clutch pack operation. eg – two being engaged at the same time (fwd & rev / low & hi on same side)

Q: Why won’t my machine engage left & right tracks at the same time?
Why is there a hesitation when I change gears/range?
A: There is a problem with internal oil leakage on the slower side. Often oil control rings on shafts are at fault. Sometimes faulty seal rings at clutch pack piston seals.

Q: Why does one track want to drive even when in neutral?
A : There is a broken plate in a clutch pack, locking it up & causing it to permanently drive.

Q: My machine has lost all drive & hydraulics!
A : Flexplate likely is broken – check inside engine bellhousing for debris.

Q: What do I look for when buying a used dozer / loader?
A: All of the above!
Get the machine to operating temperature; at an idle check each individual gear; the transmission pressure & response time should be EXACTLY the same for each selection.

95 thoughts on “Crawler Loader/Dozer Common Faults

  • I have a 1960ish Case 850 straight that I was working when I heard a rumbling mechnical noise under the seat. I immediately backed the unit out of the work area and noticed a loss of power to the right tracks. It still operates but not as before so I have left it parted until I can get an idea of what might be the problem. Any insight would be very helpful. Thanks!!

    • Hello Randy,
      My first thoughts are that a bearing has failed & this could affect gear contact & the drive performance. I would suggest you drain the transmission oil & see if there is any sign of metal contamination in the oil.
      You should also inspect the transmission suction screen as this will also show any sign of metal failure.
      If it looks ok in the transmission, drain the RH final drive & see what you find…..
      Don’t use the machine till you find the cause of the noise – as this can cause further damage & repair cost.
      Regards alrman

  • I have a 1985 Case 450c. My transmission is making a loud banging noise. I can feel the vibrations on the main forward reverse shaft when the machine is running. Would bent or broken clutch disks be a culprit? As soon as the machine is pushing a load it will run silent. I have drained the oil and no contamination. machine functions as it should. The same noise is made in forward and reverse gears. The machine sat for a couple years prior to me buying it. It seems to make a milder noise while in neutral and then intensify when engaged. Any help would be appreciated. Nobody locally seems to know anything about these machines.

    • Hello Austin,
      Usually, bent or broken clutch plates will not cause any noises as you have described.
      When you drained the oil did you look at the suction screen? This will tell you if something is failing in the transmission. Also, did you drain the two final drive oils, it is possible something could be wrong there.
      It is also possible you have worn out engine mountings, or worn driveshaft universals.

      regards
      alrman

  • My blade drops sometimes.. It runs fine… Then all of sudden it loses pressure and falls down. No leak and tank is full??

    • Hello Matias,
      Thank you for your visit! 🙂

      I assume you have a dozer?
      Is this a Case Machine?
      What model is it?
      If the blade is 2 feet off the ground, how long does it take to reach the ground?

  • I have a 455C Case Loader and when operating after 15 to 20 minutes the transmission pressure builds up so high that it blew the filter and the filter housing apart. After fixing it back, I put a inline pressure gage on the filter assembly and then within 10 to 15 minutes it blew the “O” ring out of the filter and the pressure raised over 500psi.
    Is there anyway you can help and tell me what you think the problem may be?

    • Hi Chuck,
      I would first look at the relief valves located under the torque convertor housing. It is possible the one or more of the valves is sticking, causing the high pressure.
      The plungers/valve pistons should move freely in their bores.
      Cheers 🙂

  • My 1995 Case 850E Dozer’s Hydraulic control stopped working suddenly while I was logging on a steep slope, fluid was low however I filled it to the full mark the control still did nothing. The single lever control feels like it’s connected, is there an in-line control valve that could be disconnected? I don’t have a repair or maintenance manual.
    Thank you,
    Steve

      • Everything else works properly, the control “T” handle and all connections to the valve unit are connected, however there is no response from any input from the handle. I have backed the machine off the hillside and it is sitting level, there are no leaks or signs of any damage?

        • The hydraulic system is fully mechanical, with no electrical or cut out valves.
          If all hydraulic movement has stopped working you will need to check if the pump (mounted to the LH side of the engine timing cover) is still turning. There is an small shaft in the adaptor housing which maybe damaged.
          If you still have some movement in the hydraulics, but no real power, the main relief valve (fitted to the Dozer control valve – input section) maybe at fault. Pressures will need to be checked with a test gauge.
          Hope this helps,
          Regards
          Andrew

    • Hi,
      No, the charge pump will not affect the drive as you describe.
      Check –
      1) brake neutralizing valve for stickiness.
      2) mechanical failure within the transmission – crownwheel & pinion.
      3) mechanical failure in the final drive.

      Drain the oils in transmission & left final drive & look for debris….

      My money is on mechanical failure, sorry.

      Regards

      Andrew Frino

  • my 1150 case dozer torque converter stops ( output shaft to the trans stops or turns very slow) when the machine gets warm.
    Temp never goes past the edge of the yelow. If i pile snow on the trans and wait 10 mins, it goes again for 15-20 mins and than the same thing,
    Pressure drops and stays low for a while then comes back up, but the machine doesn’t always move even when the pressure comes back.
    any ideas?

    • Hi EJ,
      I’m assuming you have a straight 1150 (with no letter model)
      My first thoughts are is the transmission charge pump ok? This would need to be tested with a flow meter.
      If that is ok, you would consider the torque converter to be suspect.
      There are a few things that can cause pressure loss & they are all internal problems requiring converter removal.
      Regards
      Andrew Frino

    • Hi John, to be honest I can’t recall if there are plugs behind the flywheel, it’s been too long since I have looked in that area on a 504 engine. The parts book only shows 1 plug & that could be for the camshaft.
      Sorry I’m not more help to you but I’m away atm & don’t have access to any service manuals.
      Cheers

  • I have a case 450B, trans charge pump is pushing fluid into my engine after running 30 minutes or so, i have changed the charge pump 3 times now,

  • it is probally very evident that computers are not my forte. however i will give it a try.
    I have a 1150b track loader that is used on farm. It has a401 case diesel which gave up.
    I have located a 401bd which is from a 970 agri-king farm tractor that a mechanic says will probally fit,
    but before purchase and labor I figure another opinion might be wise.(All the machinery and engines are case)
    I offer my thanks in advance for any advice.
    Perry

    • Hello Perry,
      I have seen many agricultural engines fitted to construction machinery over the years. If they are both 401’s , I would also assume they are the same or similar block. The online part numbers available shows they have different part numbers for the engine block assy, but I would still think the ag engine will bolt into your 1150b.
      Interestingly, the parts listing shows a 451b to be the engine fitted to an 1150b…….

      I would go ahead with the change over, but look closely when the engines are side by side.

      Regards

      Andrew

  • i just got a 1150d dozer. there is a steady drip coming out of the flywheel houseing. is it a torque seal or charge pump seal. how can a person tell. can to high of pressure cause this as well. and what is converter running temp

    • Hi Mark,
      If the leaking oil is clean, the leak is most likely the main seal on the torque converter. These machines have an external charge pump located on the rear of the converter. The transmission operating pressure should not affect the leak as the seal controls the lubricating oil inside the housing.
      Standard operating temp should be around 90- 95 degrees Celsius

      Cheers

    • There are two breathers on transmission. One on the filler pipe & one under the right armrest which uses a plastic recovery bottle. I have seen the recovery one overflow when the filler pipe one is blocked.
      If it is leaking out the filler pipe breather, there is excessive oil movement, perhaps caused from a leaking clutch pack.
      Does the transmission oil have air bubbles/foam in it if you check it shortly after running it?

  • ill check about the foamy oil but did not recall any bubbles. the oil is coming out the breather on the left hand side mounted on the side on the fuel tank not the filler pipe. i seen that recover bottle but there is no hose connected to it. what seal in the torque do you think is leaking. is there kits to buy or find a rebuilt one.

    • There is not normally a breather in the location you are describing. There should be a small rubber hose from the top of the transmission connected to the recovery bottle, perhaps someone has connected another breather to that hose? You need to check that out.
      You need to clean that breather at the transmission filler pipe.
      The seal is the main one in the centre of the housing, it’s about 8″ in diameter.
      Rebuild kits were available from CNH, however they were expensive due to a lot of unnecessary items being in them. I usually buy individual items. The seals are also available from bearing suppliers once you have it out for a sample.
      Here’s a link to CNH online parts search using your model.
      https://partstore.casece.com/us/parts-search.html#epc::home

      I strongly suggest you purchase a service manual if you already don’t have one. EBay is a good source. Also join an online forum like http://www.heavyequipmentforums.com – this one is great for advice from machinery owners & repairers. I am a regular commenter there.

      Cheers

  • ok. ya i just got a service manual. some things are explained well and some stuff is not. not much trouble shooting for trans or converter.

  • hi. i just changed the trans and hyd oil and filters. let it ideal for for 5 to 10 mins and checked the trans oil. there was little bubbles on the dip stick. it may some air in the system cause i have the filter out and had suction pipes off. should i run it longer and drive it around. and check again. what do you think is causing the bubbles. as i said it was pushing oil out the breather befor.

    • Hi Mark,
      It is possible that the air could be from the short amount of time the machine was run. You should run it for longer & see what happens.
      Bubbles usually are caused by pump cavitation, that means the pump is sucking air somewhere. If the suction hoses are hard, this could be a cause, also if the charge pump is worn.
      It is also possible to create air bubbles If there is a large internal hemerage in the transmission, this can be isolated by conducting pressure test of the each individual gear range while the transmission is hot.
      The breather in the transmission oil filler pipe should be periodically removed & washed in some solvent or fuel & blown with compressed air.
      Cheers

  • hi. there is no breather in the filler pipe its a rubber type plug with a t handle on it and dipstick. the filler pipe goes into the lower part of the trans below the oil level at the back of the trans D E are like this. the C and older had the with the breather in filler pipe. do you think a breather or recover bottle is better.

    • Mark,
      I am very familiar with 1150D & E transmissions. There is a porous bronze breather inside a hex alloy retainer which is located at the rear of the filler pipe near the dipstick, look for it, it’s there for sure.

  • Hello, I have a Case 1150B dozer, serial #7306336 that has a transmission issue. The left side forward and reverse are strong. The right side forward and reverse do not work. When you move the right side lever forward or back wards you can hear a little pressure or something “hit” but the right side doesn’t move. I changed the two canister transmission filters which were dirty and it helped the left move even stronger but the right side still doesn’t move. I’m going to see today if the right side levers move the valve spool but beyond that do you have any ideas or suggestions? Thanks in advance!

    • Hi Mark,
      Did you drain the transmission oil when you cleaned the suction screen? Was any metal present in the screen or drain pan?
      Is the RHS free wheeling or does it lock up?
      Drain the final drive oil also & check for debris.

      Cheers

      • The transmission fluid did not hit the dip stick when I got the machine, I just added 5 gallons of HyTrax fluid to the transmission and I did not clean the suction screen.
        The RHS is free and rolls.
        I will check the final drive.
        Does this machine have 2 separate transmissions, one for each side, or just one transmission for both?
        Thank you for your reply and time.

        • The final drives are both separate from the main transmission, using hypoid gear oil. If the final drive drains clear, I would next drain the transmission oil & inspect the screen, maybe you will find a clue.
          Loss of drive in all ranges is not a good thing. It can mean a problem with crownwheel & pinion or final drive.
          If the oils are clear you need to inspect the RH brake spool at the transmission control valve. It is possible it may have broken a spring causing neutralizing of the track.
          Fingers crossed….

  • Looking at buying a 1970 case 450C. The left side drive works in high and low, the right side works in high and when put in low the track stops turning. Any ideas of what could be causing this?

    • Hi Jim,
      Likely it will have broken oil control rings on the RH hi/low shaft. Which means oil pressure has been supplied to the two ranges at the same time.
      If used like this for a long time the clutch packs are burnt out.
      Only a guess Jim, some pressure testing may help confirm the problem. Also inspecting the transmission suction screen may shed some light on it, by seeing what type of trash maybe present there.

  • hello. i have a case 1150d. was was running it for the day and noticed that when i put it into for or rev it makes a clunk noise that i have not notice befor. seems to operate as it should. any ideas. it has newer oil and filters in it.

    • Hi Nick, There could be any number of reasons for the new noise.
      Firstly, take a good look around the track frame to see if any thing has come loose or maybe a rock has jammed up in the sprocket area?
      Check also if the track idler bearings are still OK.
      Finally, drain your oils at the transmission & LH & RH final drives & look for any metal/teeth etc.

      Hope this is of some help to you.
      Regards,
      Andrew

  • I’m looking at buying a 850h the seller said that the right side has engagement disengagement issues and sometimes does not want to drive on that side any ideas

    • Hi Jesse,
      There could be problems with oil pressure control rings fitted on the end of the high low direction shafts. These act as seals to stop oil pressure going from High range & Low range. If they become worn or damaged when you select, say, high range left – the worn seal rings allow pressure to be sent to low range left – at the same time. This causes both ranges to be engaging at the same time – acting as a brake & usually causes clutch pack friction discs to get hot & wear out prematurely.
      You would need to test the transmission pressure & compare the difference between engaging LHS & RHS – there should be a noticeable difference in pressure due to the internal leakage.

      If this is the problem – the entire transmission would need to be removed from the machine to enable repair to the seal rings – as the hi/low range shafts need to be removed from the front housing to service them.
      BIG job – lots of $$$$ required.

      Regards Andrew (aka alrman)

  • I have a large ih track loader its old I don’t no how old it has a671 motor its at least a 250 the tracks r waste hi and the seat is 6 ft up it will pull at hi rpm’s but will not dig it has a dr shaft out of the tarkconverter and it stops turning win u dig

    • Hi Mac,
      Unfortunately, I don’t have alot of work experience on old IH construction equipment.
      Typically, you will need to check some pressures to see what is going on.
      You may have a problem with the torque converter or the transmission pump or individual clutch packs inside the transmission.

      Sorry I can’t be more specific

      Cheers!
      alrman

  • Have a Case 850 D dozer was pushing a load and all of a sudden it acted like it just went into neutral and won’t move now but the blade still works fine ?? Any idea of the problem ??

    • Hi Larry,
      Is it possible the mechanical hi/low range lever – located near your left ankle has been bumped into neutral?
      Is the driveshaft still connected to the transmission?
      Is the driveshaft spinning while attempting to drive?

      Hope this helps
      Regards

      alrman

  • Hi Alrman. I have a case 1150E, just hit 8000 hrs owner driven. Converter temp has started rising towards the high end of the green, is worse in 2nd gear and not necessarily doing hard work but its slowly getting worse. I blow the coolers regularly but dosen’t make much difference. The oil cooler was new about 1000 hrs ago, I’ve changed trans oil and checked suction screen it was clean. I just had the trans filter off beside batteries and the oil does have a bit of a burnt smell. Do you have any ideas where I should start to try and fix this. Thanks

    • Hi Campbell, my first thoughts are that there could be problems with oil control rings inside the shaft endcaps.
      At operating temp, at engine idle click through each gear & check transmission pressure. It needs to be the same on each gear selection & take the same amount of time for each gear selection.
      Lower pressure, slower selection indicates you have a problem.
      If the seal rings are damaged, two different clutch packs will be engaged & that is like driving with the brakes on & superheats the oil. If the machine has been operated for a long period of time like this clutch packs will be burnt out.

      Regards

      alrman

      • Thanks so much for the advice. I will check that out. If that is the cause I guess I’m up for a major cost. Can you help with parts/kits? How long does it take to get the trans out?

        • It depends where the problem is with regards if you you need to pull the transmission.
          FWD & REV are accessible through the rear cover.
          I don’t really deal in parts, many parts have to be genuine.
          You may find some used ones for major components.

  • Hello Airman, I have a Case 450b. Runs fine, but after 30 minutes it starts overflowing tranny fluid over the fill receptacle under the seat. It was not overfilled prior to starting. Any thoughts would be much appreciated .

    TF

    • Hello Tim,
      There are clutch packs that are turning very near the filler pipe.
      My thoughts are that at least one of the packs is haemorrhaging more than it should & is flicking the oil towards the opening.
      At operating temperature, click through the gear ranges – at engine idle speed – the transmission pressure should read the same for each selection & also take the same amount of time to engage the gear.
      Lower pressure & delayed gear selection indicates where your problem is.

      Regards

      Andrew (aka alrman)

  • Hi again, our 1150e has a breake shudder. When turning downhill slightly and try to gradually brake it starts shuddering, was only doing it on one side but now both do it, bloody annoying. Any ideas please?

    • Hi,
      Usually shudder noises are related to oil problems. Have you recently changed the oil? Different brand or Viscosity?
      Maybe the oil in the transmission is well overdue for a change?

      cheers

      • Thank you for your response. Those are my symptoms but I took my charge pump apart and it looks fine. The gears seemed good. No leaks. I’m curious what a worn out pump looks like inside. What should I be looking for?

        Best Regards

      • Think I found the problem on my transmission on the Case 450b. Checked my engine oil dipstick and it was at least a gallon overfilled. The charge pump was leaking thru the shaft seal. Even though upon visual inspection it looked OK. I wish you guys were in San Antonio, Texas. Can’t find good heavy equipment service here.

        Best Regards

        • Hi Tim,
          sometimes the pump leak is due to wear at the bearing blocks closest to the input shaft seal. They turn in towards each other, due to the rotational forces of the gears.
          Then they can either draw air into the system, taking a long time to build pressure at start up OR they can leak transmission oil into the engine – as has yours.
          A new charge pump is the best repair option – I don’t think CNH has too many parts to rebuild those old pumps.

          • Hello Alrman. I have an 1150B loader. I do not have low range on right side track. I have changed the steel rings in the cover. I have also swapped high and low hoses to verify the valve body is functioning. My pressure gauge drops real low and fluctuates when put in track low. I’m pretty sure the seals are blown on the clutch pack.

            Have you ever changed the seals with the transmission in the machine? I know there is not much room. Thank you.

          • Hello John,
            No, I’ve never pulled the front cover from an 1150 while the transmission was still fitted to the machine – and I wouldn’t recommend that type of repair to anyone either.
            Less than a days work & the transmission would be out of the machine – clean – ready to work on in comfort.
            Hope this helps you make up your mind
            regards
            alrman

  • I have an 850G Dozer, r/s high (Forward and reverse) has never operated so always run in low, decided to try to tackle problem, swapped r/s and l/s- hi Lo shift spools and lo and behold rs high came to life, left side high forward inoperable But has ls high reverse..figured bad spool, ordered new spool put in left side hi lo, still no Ls high forward…what the??!! Did I accidentally swap brake spools left and right while I was rebuilding control valve and that is what is affecting left high now?? Book shows check ball in brake spool, hmmm. Finally found diagnostic manual with pressure and flowmeter specs, suction screen clean, fluids all clean as can be..dealer told me needs new trans 15 years ago, not thinking so.

    • Hi,
      Those spools can be very finicky…. so many springs & valves.
      I would swap the spools again – the Right spool back to the left & new spool to the right see what happens?

      It’s possible that the new spool has been sitting in stock for a long time & one of the valves or balls maybe sticking?
      You would have to let the CNH dealer know about your situation & see what they suggest. Whether they supply another spool or their service department take a look at it.

      Regards
      alrman

  • Yup, I requested a “quality control check” on the spool they sent me. They verified that it was an updated version as the end was hollow versus solid like the old, 60 degrees out tomorrow, 8 inches of snow coming Sunday so we’ll see how motivated I get..
    Think your right about swapping, they are finicky. I will do that inspect, and post results.

    Having similar issue on a Komatsu D-65 r/s steer lost clutching, brake is good its an older -6 so probably control valve/ pressure to rs clutch I am guessing…Think I found an old manual..

    Thank you!

  • I have a 1971 Case D350, NOT a B model. I had a bad leak on the front of the shuttle shift and after a short while of pushing the dozer would stoop pushing as if the clutches were slipping. I decided to just rebuild it while I had it out so I have all new clutches and seals and now when I crank the engine the driveshaft turns quite fast and it has no power to push anything. it will move in first gear but no power to even fill the blade. wondering how to test the charge pump or the torque converter or if I didn’t get something correct on the inside when I put it back together?

    • Hello Kevin,
      There are many things that can wrong during assembly.
      It’s easy to damage piston seals while installing them into their carriers.
      The two small teflon rings on the end of the shaft are also easy to damage.
      If any of these seals are damaged – oil pressure is lost.
      The forward clutch pack clearance needs to be adjusted correctly.
      The forward clutch hub/drum needs to be assembled correctly – belville washer installed correct way & .093 snap ring used as a spacer between plates & piston.
      A worn pump can also affect drive – pressure test required.
      Any of the above + more can affect drive upon completion.

      You would check the converter by means of a stall test – Placing the transmission in high range & by pushing against a large pile of dirt or tree – seeing the difference in engine rpm with no load & full load (the tracks must not turn) – stall specs are 2100rpm no load – 1800rpm full load.
      During the test If the tracks aren’t turning – the driveshaft mustn’t turn.
      Too many rpm at full stall indicates slippage in shuttle/converter
      Too few rpm – indicates either poor engine power – fuel restrictions (if engine power is OK) a bad Converter (sprag is damaged) = new or repaired converter required.

      I hope you have a service manual? To guide you through the rebuild?

      regards
      alrman.

      • Thanks for the reply, I have the shuttle without a removable base pan so I don’t have some of the seals you referred to. Also I do not have a manual of any kind for this machine, I bought it for next to nothing, not running, and leaking from the front seal of the shuttle shift. I simply replaced clutches like for like and seems like the problem have been exaggerated, except for the leaks. I did use the thickest clip ring that would fit when installing the clutch pack. I’ll try and see what the test you mentioned will reveille. Thanks

        • Ok, I verified a few things inside the shuttle and re-installed the shuttle with new fluid and as soon as I cranked the machine it would drive in third gear but would not push under load the engine rpm would not drop but it would spin the tracks in second gear with no hesitation. after about 10 mins of pushing a light load the machine would not even move in 3rd gear and would not push any load at all in 2nd gear and engine rpm did not drop. if it was something i did inside i would think it not push anything right out of the gate, am I thinking correctly?

          • Hi Kevin,
            If all is good with the forward clutch pack, & you have reasonable drive when oil is cold. It does point towards a worn charge pump – I would however pull the converter & get it overhauled.
            You would need to take it a specialised repair shop, as they need to be cut open on a lathe & welded back together after new items are installed & then pressure tested.

            Regards
            alrman

  • Greetings, I have a 1150b with a bad radiator and trying to remove transmission cooling so I can remove the radiator. Is there a special tool or trick in getting those lines disconnected ? Thanks Rick Houston

    • Hello Rick,
      If I recall correctly, the oil cooler hoses are UNO fittings at the oil cooler fittings – meaning they don’t swivel – That is unless someone has not modified the hose configuration over the years…..
      You would need to first loosen the other end of the hose (about 12-14″long) where they connect to the steel lines which run along the chassis. Then remove the hoses at the oil cooler fittings. OR then pull the radiator with the hoses attached.
      Sounds easy I know, but the restricted work space makes it difficult.

      Google “crows foot socket” these tools can help in this situation.

      regards
      alrman

  • Hi, I have a 1981 case 850B I bought several months ago. Has ran good for the couple hours that I ran it. Out of the blue I was running it and as soon as it got up to temp the right track did not operate normal and then it just quit. Left track had no issues. When temp cools back down it will work again until it warms back up. Any info would be great thanks.

    • Hi Ryan,
      Could the brakes be dragging? How do the pedals feel?
      Is the transmission pressure gauge working? Does the pressure drop more when you engage RH forward the reverse?
      Does the pressure drop more in RH low or high?

      Look for more symptoms to help in diagnosis.

      Regards
      alrman

  • Hello, I have a 1983 Case 1150D dozer. I noticed that the transmssion oil pressure gauge needle was starting to fall in the yellow/gold section of the gauge and would slightly be in the green area at times when operating. I connected a digital gauge to the gauge line so I could get psi readings.
    When starting out at cooler operating temp the gauge read 269 to 270 psi, then at normal operating temp at 2,000 rpm under medium loads read 246 to 251 psi. It is my understanding that the normal psi should be 250 to 310 psi or damage to the clutches may occur.
    The converter temp is running cool. Dozer seems to still be operating correctly.
    Do you think my transmission charging pump is starting to fail or is there anything else that I need to troubleshoot?
    Thanks Rob.

    • Hello Rob,
      While your pressure is low, it is still within spec. If the pressure has dropped within a few days or even more quickly, it’s possible you have an internal haemorrhage occurring somewhere.
      It’s unlikely that a pump will suddenly lose pressure, but not impossible.
      If the transmission pressure has dropped in a short amount of time, take note of the pressure with individual ranges – at an idle & at operating temperature.
      If the pressure is low in all ranges, it is possible that the pressure loss is occurring in the transmission control valve – blown gasket or broken spring somewhere.
      If the pressure loss is more noticeable in a certain gear range – then you need to look at oil control rings under the shaft end caps to begin with – if they are OK, then you need to look at clutch packs……

      Hope this helps

      Regards
      alrman

  • Alrman – Stumped on an issue with a ’72 Straight 1150 Loader miltary model with detroit 453. Bought the machine with a siezed motor. Did an inframe rebuild and it starts/runs great, plenty of power. The machine is very sluggish and hardly moves. Suction filter was clean but had been replaced fairly recently i would guess. Replaced charge pump, machine moved better, it could turn with one forward/one reverse track. It ran for about a day then got rapidly worse. Internet searching lead me to suspect converter. Dropped converter and did complete rebuild of tubine assembly with all new parts, bearings, seals, including hub and gear that were badly worn. Flexplates were destroyed. Figured, I’d get her back together and be doing track stands! Once back running I still have no power, I’m stumped and very puzzled/frustrated. Please HELP 🙂

    • Hello Chris,
      I’ve never actually seen one of these military 1150’s – I can only assume that the converter & transmission are factory standard.
      You need to take notice of the transmission pressure gauge during operation – at an idle click through all the gear ranges.
      If the pressure is low in all ranges but the similar, there could be a problem in the control valve, gasket, broken spring etc
      If the pressure is low in one particular range, then you need to check oil control rings in the end caps….. to start with….

      Hope this helps
      Regards

      alrman

  • Hello i have a case 1150b that suddenly lost trans presure i have around 230 charge presure and my drive shaft is spinning free when i start machine, ive cleaned and replaced gaskets on control valve under seat, i can feel it go into gear and it trys to move, is there anyway to know if its my tourqe converter thanks

    • Hi Cody
      Torque Converters are difficult to pin point as a problem.
      Usually they don’t fail – all of a sudden – Often the aluminium turbines touch & put a fine metallic fleck in the transmission oil.

      230PSI is a little low in pressure – it is tested at 2000rpm.
      Could be charge pump, could be leaking internally in the converter, could still be something in the control valve that you missed??

      The transmission modulator on the B series I recall was connected to the brake pedals? Anything binding up & causing the modulator to be activated?
      Try disconnecting the linkage to see if it makes any difference.

      Regards

      alrman

  • Have 1150B after I fun it 30 to 40 mins starts taking fees second to move when in forward, then after few more gets worse, reverse still moves fine. Then totally loose both. Can you help me in right direction.

    • Hello Ray,
      It’s very difficult to be precise.
      Transmission charge pump could be suspect.
      Torque converter could also be suspect.
      There could also be clutch pack issues – with forward losing drive before reverse.
      Could be any one of these issues or a combination of two or more….

      You will need to avail yourself of workshop service manual & carry out some pressure tests, hopefully to narrow the problem down a little.

      Regards

      alrman

      • Thanks. Had torque converter rebuilt (needed it anyway) but still doing it. I’ll check on other two possibilities. Thanks again.

  • I recently purchased a 80’s Case 450B dozer.
    Having an issue with the right track. When it’s cold it starts up and works great. When I step on the right turning break, I lose the right track. I pull halfway up on the emergency break and it comes back. The breaks aren’t sticking cause it still rolls. I can do this about 5 times before it won’t come back at all. After the about 5th time I lose the track, it first feels like it’s slipping, before it completely stops.

    • Hi Tim,
      Firstly, you should avoid using the brakes to steer the machine. They were designed to be steered using the hi/low range shift levers. Use the brakes sparingly in tight manoeuvring & on steep terrain.
      The previous owner may not have used the brakes & now their operation could be affected.
      There is a neutralising valve for each track attached to the transmission control valve – just trace the brake lines & you’ll find them.
      These could be sticking & causing your problem OR the brake slave cylinders may not be returning properly.

      Does the transmission pressure gauge still work? It should between 250 – 300 psi @ 2000 rpm.

      Hope this helps

      regards

      alrman

  • Hello alrman.

    I have an 1150b track loader. The loader lift arms drift down quickly about 2-3 inches when the control lever is released. After the initial quick 2-3′ drop the cylinders continue to slowly leak down. I repacked the cylinders about 4 years ago (100 hours) using genuine Case kits. The loader has always drifted down slowly I just assumed it was a leaky hose. I have now changed all the hoses and o-rings on the fittings. I see no visible leaks anywhere in the loader lift system. I don’t think the pump is sucking air either, all return hoses and filter screen have been changed.

    Before I open the cylinders back up to check the packing is there something else i can check?

    Thank you

    • Hello John,
      It is possible the load check valves or their springs are at fault. However, the problem usually lies with the cylinder piston packings. I would still visually check them first before looking for anything else.

      Regards

      alrman

      • Mr. alrman you were correct the packing is toast.
        The bolt backed out of the rod about an inch. Thankfully I decided to pull it out. Cylinder bore looks good no scars or scratches. The steel piece (bearing?) between the packing actually looks better than the other side.

        Hopefully Miller Brewing does not cause this problem again.

        Thanks for having this site and answering questions.

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